My First CSS Naked Day

Hmm, naked sounds good, but where is the design? Rather like the old site as it wasn't laid out (pun intended) for a printer or such as a site whose style mistress ran away with the money.

Thu, 05 Apr 2007 at 17:58:42 GMT Link

Hmm, okay, ignore last comment, I've checked your source and it appears you have something against Firefox as your stylesheet only supports IE, ie any other browser would appear as if a college student wrote it.

Thu, 05 Apr 2007 at 18:01:01 GMT Link

Okay, from my understanding lte is the same as <= 6, which would mean that any browser less than or equal to IE 6 would get the style sheet information.

Shouldn't it had been gte IE 6]?

When will you have support for the Firefox browser?

Thu, 05 Apr 2007 at 18:05:43 GMT Link

I don't really see the point in this CSS Naked thing, specially when nowadays you can even have Opera running in your phone. :S

My guess is that in about 2 years, all cell phones will be packed with a decent web browser, perhaps <a href=http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/>minimo (?)</a>

Cheers

Thu, 05 Apr 2007 at 18:21:33 GMT Link

Bravo!

Thu, 05 Apr 2007 at 18:48:01 GMT Link

It appears Mr. Santos is mistaken; the line in the source:

<!--[if lte IE 6]> ... etc

is only hiding one of two style blocks.

The second block is further down, past the comment:

<!--
  CSS Naked Day!
  <style type="text/css" media="screen">@import "/css/default.css";</style>
  <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="print" href="/css/print.css" />
  -->
</head>

So it appears that under normal (non-naked) circumstances, there is a perfectly good stylesheet available for Firefox and other non-IE browsers. The IE-specific block is just a min-width(?) hack.

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Thu, 05 Apr 2007 at 19:58:08 GMT Link

I think Jacob doesn't understand that you've removed all css for just today - his posts indicate that he thinks you've permanently changed your style to this no-css version. When he viewed the source he saw your conditional comments for IE and assume that you've only designed something for IE, hence, no css for firefox.

Thu, 05 Apr 2007 at 20:01:10 GMT Link

Not sure your use of the EM tag for the name of this blog post (just under About This Post) or for comment-makers names is the apropriate use of that tag, sematically speaking.

Thu, 05 Apr 2007 at 20:30:35 GMT Link

People are very, very confused by this, Chris. 8D

Thu, 05 Apr 2007 at 21:02:25 GMT Link

chris D: I personally think the EM in About This Post is appropriate, but you may want to take a second look at the comment code. The EM wraps the image and not the poster's name. It's a CITE tag that wraps the name, which seems appropriate. But why an image should have emphasis escapes me :)

All in all, this site design remains impressive even whilst naked.

Thu, 05 Apr 2007 at 21:21:57 GMT Link

Cool idea... Just stripped the CSS from my site too.

Thu, 05 Apr 2007 at 21:37:54 GMT Link

Fantastic Chris! Love that you've participated. Quite right about the conditional comment too. I have other thoughts prompted by naked day which I'll send to you separately.

Jordi: One point is that if the site works without style then will almost certainly be accessible. Another is it's a chance for pedants to show off their structure - or find ways to improve it! :)

Chris D: Nathan's right:

It's a CITE tag that wraps the name

Default browser styling for cite is italics.

Nathan: Thanks! You have a point about the em around the gravatar. It's a slight stylistic hook but it does have some potential side benefits: 1. Screen readers will emphasise the images alt attribute value so if ever Gravatars are passed with descriptive alt attribute values (I can hope) then it will be further defined. Also, the em is a parent of the link so the title attribute value is also further defined.

Thu, 05 Apr 2007 at 22:19:10 GMT Link

Okay. I thought the concept was not to use any inline style, not stripping out all style sheets. It is in fact very confusing and I feel for those who have to see this site in this way.

Accessibility is good to test for, not too many sites do so.

It does make me rethink the way design should be done for those who can't see, can't hear, to understand the context of the site the way it would be for those who can see and hear in cases.

I've looked at ways to handle printing, which is easy to test. Not so easy is looking at the perspective of those who can't see and use audio aids.

Thu, 05 Apr 2007 at 23:59:30 GMT Link

i can see your site's naked <body> anytime i want with "Disable All Styles" in the Firefox Web Development toolbar, Chris :p

no seriously, css naked day is a great initiative, glad you support it.

keep up the good work!

Fri, 06 Apr 2007 at 06:28:35 GMT Link

today is the day ... :-)

Wed, 09 Apr 2008 at 14:25:45 GMT Link

wow -- that was quick!

See you next month!

Wed, 09 Apr 2008 at 16:11:48 GMT Link